This
post represents another installment in The Big Switcheroo series – tales from
last spring’s epic journey from the northeast to the Florida Keys and back –
involving family, friends and an extraordinary range of adventures. Coincidentally, it was exactly one year ago today that the trip began.
This
the first of several posts covering our visit to Walt Disney World and the Orlando
area with our daughter (Kyra), our son (Ryan) and Ryan’s long-time girlfriend
(Anya). Since I prefer to cover topics
in one post rather than interrupt the flow of the “story,” please consider
this your “Long Post Ahead!” alert. That
means it’s time to warm up your coffee or cool down your adult beverage, and
settle in for a longer read than usual.
If you’re not a fan of long posts, you could always read through the
next ten paragraphs, then come back tomorrow to finish up. No extra charge. Seriously, please keep in mind that we camped
at Fort Wilderness in May of 2019. I
understand that the Disney experience may never be the same going forward – or,
at least, not for quite a while.
My
kids call me cheap. I prefer the word
frugal. Merriam-Webster defines “cheap”
as “stingy” (which is further defined
as “not generous or
liberal: sparing or scant in using, giving, or spending“) and “frugal” as “characterized by or reflecting economy in the use of resources.” Oh, yeah.
I definitely prefer the definition of frugal – especially since another
definition of “cheap” is “contemptible because of lack of any fine, lofty, or redeeming
qualities.”
Ow, that hurts. I really hope my kids believe I have, at least, some redeeming qualities. No matter what definition of “doesn’t like to spend money” you
prefer, the fact of the matter is that I think long and hard before I part ways
with any of my hard-earned dollars. That
being said, I can be quite frivolous with my funds when it comes to something
or someone I consider important. I save
money when and where I can so that I have it to spend on something I enjoy or
want. I’d bet that most people operate
on the same principle, even though what we deem truly important in life may
differ quite a bit from person to person.
Alan
and I will drive a car for more than a decade until it dies on us or it no
longer makes financial sense to invest in costly repairs. But, when we replace it, it will be with a
brand new vehicle, despite the fact that we may lose thousands in depreciation
as we drive it off the dealer’s lot. I
will happily eat a generic brand of cereal as long as it’s tasty and
nutritious, but it will probably be topped (without a moment’s hesitation) with
flash frozen berries at over $3.00 per pound when fresh ones are out of
season. I have no problem buying a less
expensive brand of ice cream as long as it’s creamy and yummy, but I also have
no problem driving an hour roundtrip to my favorite Italian bakery to pick up a
couple of their exquisite Napoleon pastries.
(Their French Cannoli are to die for, too. Just sayin.’)
Now
that it’s too late to make a long story short, here’s the point I want to make
before I launch into our experience at Disney’s Fort Wilderness: While I am frugal by nature, I will also cough
up big bucks for a product, service or experience that I perceive to be a good
value relative to my outlay. Without a
doubt, camping at Fort Wilderness is Expensive with a capital E. But is it worth it?
Welcome to the House of Mouse! |
Let’s
talk dollars now so that we can put the frightening part of this post behind
us. Five of us camped at Fort Wilderness
for one full week (7 nights) last spring, arriving on Sunday, May 19th, and departing on Sunday, May 26th. The 26th happened to be Ryan’s 25th birthday, and we celebrated with "birthday muffins" before he and Anya left to catch their flight home that morning. But, I digress. An all too common occurrence.
Due to the length of our truck and travel trailer combined, we chose a “Premium” site with full hookups which can be up to 18’ wide by 60’ long. Our nightly cost for Sunday through Thursday was $135.00; our nightly cost for Friday and Saturday was $156.00. There were no additional fees for extra persons beyond two or four as are standard these days at many private campgrounds. Our camping fee was $987.00. Add a 12.5% tax to that and our total camping expense for the week came to just over $1,100.00. Like I said, frightening. To put this in perspective, we could have camped for seven weeks at our favorite public campground for the same amount of money – without any hookups, true, but on a lakefront site with a gorgeous view. Golf carts are renting for $59.00 per day at Fort Wilderness this year. While we didn’t need or want one, I can see how a golf cart would be useful if you were staying in a loop that wasn’t near the pool, playground, restaurant, or a transportation hub – the campground is huge. If we wanted to visit Fort Wilderness during Christmas week, we would have paid a premium for our Premium site - $213.00 per night. OUCH! Even tent sites start high - $62.00 per night and that’s for August. Tent camping in Florida in August? Um, no, I don’t think so. Okay, those scary numbers were the worst of it. Let’s just take a few deep breaths to steady ourselves and move on.
We settled for 5 candles instead of 25; otherwise, we would have needed a bigger muffin. |
Due to the length of our truck and travel trailer combined, we chose a “Premium” site with full hookups which can be up to 18’ wide by 60’ long. Our nightly cost for Sunday through Thursday was $135.00; our nightly cost for Friday and Saturday was $156.00. There were no additional fees for extra persons beyond two or four as are standard these days at many private campgrounds. Our camping fee was $987.00. Add a 12.5% tax to that and our total camping expense for the week came to just over $1,100.00. Like I said, frightening. To put this in perspective, we could have camped for seven weeks at our favorite public campground for the same amount of money – without any hookups, true, but on a lakefront site with a gorgeous view. Golf carts are renting for $59.00 per day at Fort Wilderness this year. While we didn’t need or want one, I can see how a golf cart would be useful if you were staying in a loop that wasn’t near the pool, playground, restaurant, or a transportation hub – the campground is huge. If we wanted to visit Fort Wilderness during Christmas week, we would have paid a premium for our Premium site - $213.00 per night. OUCH! Even tent sites start high - $62.00 per night and that’s for August. Tent camping in Florida in August? Um, no, I don’t think so. Okay, those scary numbers were the worst of it. Let’s just take a few deep breaths to steady ourselves and move on.
Fort
Wilderness Resort & Campground has been on my radar since friends of ours sang
its praises more than ten years ago.
Despite the steep cost, we decided that, if we were ever going to camp
at the Fort, this would be the perfect trip for it. We had not stayed on Disney property for any
of our half dozen or so previous visits and, more importantly, since this
Disney adventure was a graduation gift for both Kyra and Anya, we wanted it to
be special.
Looks like somebody is a big fan of Minnie Mouse! |
Reserving
a campsite at Fort Wilderness was a little bit nerve wracking for someone who
prefers to look at every site and pick the one she likes the best. (Yup, that would be me.) At Fort Wilderness, not only can’t you pick your own campsite, you
can’t even decide what loop you want to stay in. (There are 21 camping loops in Fort
Wilderness, each containing between 10 and 85 campsites. There are 7 additional
loops with cabins.) Although you can
request a specific loop, Disney is quick to point out that it doesn’t
necessarily mean you’ll be assigned a site in the loop you requested. That really rubbed me the wrong way, but
there was nothing to be done. When in
Disney, you have to play by (Mouse) House rules.
Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground is . . . Just. So. Big. |
Of
course, that doesn’t mean that you can’t research the heck out of your subject
and request the camping loop that works best for your family. Using the map of the campground I found on
the Disney World web site, I was able to quickly cross off some loops knowing
that we weren’t interested in being near the pool or the playground, and
understanding that some of the loops had sites that were too small to
accommodate us. But, having read that
you can catch a boat at the Fort Wilderness marina that goes directly to the
Magic Kingdom (or to the Transportation & Ticket Center) and that the
nightly fireworks were visible from the beach at the Fort, I decided to request
a site in the 700 loop, which would put us just a short walk away from
both. What sealed the deal for us were
the videos I found on YouTube that were posted by Disney guests who had videoed
the individual camping loops using the ever-so-popular “drive by
technique.” People actually took the
time to drive through the loops at Fort Wilderness filming the sites and
posting those videos online - which proved to be a wonderful resource when I
was trying to decide which loop to request.
A round of applause to all of those drive by shooters! No, wait!
What I mean is, many thanks to everyone who shot videos of the Fort
Wilderness camping loops and shared them with the rest of us!
When
we left our friends, Pat and Ella, at the Metro Diner in Daytona Beach in the
early afternoon of May 19th, Alan and I had allowed ourselves ample time
to drive to Disney World and arrive when check-in began at 3:00 p.m. We also factored in enough time to find our
site, get the travel trailer set up and ready for our “guests,” and zip back to
the Orlando International Airport by the time Kyra’s flight came in early that
evening. Ryan and Anya flew in the day before and stayed in a local hotel for the night; they planned to
meet us for dinner after Kyra’s flight arrived.
I’m
not sure exactly what I expected to find when we arrived for check-in at Fort
Wilderness, but I can assure you it was not a “Reception Outpost” with six
lanes of traffic full of other Disney guests checking in at the same time we
were. However, Disney is nothing if not
efficient, and it really didn’t take us long to check-in. The Disney cast member at the gate answered the
few questions we had easily and thoroughly, and we pulled away in search of the
700 Loop with MagicBands for the five of us in hand. (MagicBands are electronic wristbands with
and through which you can access buildings, attractions, etc. – sort of like an
electronic room or access card that you wear on your wrist. Guests are given a choice between a MagicBand
or a card; MagicBands are the default choice and, as annoying as they were to
wear, proved to be much more convenient than a card would have been.)
Drive-through check-in! |
Disney
property is both exceptionally beautiful and beautifully maintained, and it was
a lovely drive to Cinnamon Fern Way.
Before we reached any of the camping loops, we noticed a pull off to the
right which turned out to be a thoughtful and strategically placed
feature: a convenient and safe area in
which to unhitch a towed vehicle.
Somebody had his or her thinking cap on when the plans for Fort
Wilderness were being drawn! The photo below was taken after we had checked in, looking back at the Reception Outpost.
The Reception Outpost - check in lanes (far right) and guest access to the building (on left) |
When we pulled up to our site, I would have bet that we’d never fit. It looked tiny compared to the size of our truck and trailer. Well, looks must be deceiving because the travel trailer fit just fine, as did our truck and Ryan and Anya’s rental car. Although we kept the truck parked quite close to the picnic table, the wide apron would have allowed us more breathing room had we needed it. While the sites are fairly close together, the landscaping in our loop had been designed to provide as much shade and privacy as possible. We didn’t bike through all the loops, but it seemed that the ones we did tour later in our stay were also well-designed, some with a bit more privacy than others.
Cinnamon Fern Way ~ Site 726 |
Without
a doubt, we were quite happy with our campsite and its location. We were situated almost directly across the
main road from restrooms and showers, as well as a spanking clean laundry room, all
of which could only be accessed with a MagicBand or key card. A short walk took us to the marina where we
hopped on a boat to either the Magic Kingdom or to the Transportation &
Ticket Center. An even shorter walk
brought us to a bus stop just around the corner from the end of our one-way
loop road. Buses pick up guests at the
neighborhood bus stops around Fort Wilderness and bring them to the main bus stop
in the Fort which is near the Reception Outpost. Buses leaving from the main bus stop transport guests
to all of the Disney World theme parks, as well as other locations throughout
the Disney empire.
Generally,
Alan and I prefer to travel as independently as possible, but we did take
advantage of the Disney transportation system a number of times during our week-long stay. In various reviews, I’ve seen
both praise and criticism for the transportation system but I believe that’s to
be expected with such a phenomenally huge and complex undertaking. The various forms of Disney transportation
move thousands of guests every day quite efficiently. Yes, we had to wait for a bus or a boat at
times, but the waits were not long and certainly endurable. Walking and biking paths made getting around
quite easy, with no worries about traffic.
As with all of Disney’s projects, Fort Wilderness is an attractive,
well-designed, efficiently run campground that was obviously planned with
guests’ comfort, convenience and safety in mind.
In
addition to standard campground amenities like a pool and playground, you’ll
also find tennis courts, a volleyball court, a dog park, Segway tours, horse
and pony rides and the exceptionally fun-filled Campfire Sing-a-Long with Chip
and Dale where adults of all ages can make complete fools of themselves doing
the Hokey Pokey. Yes, I did, and yes,
there is video to prove it. No, you can't see it.
Chip
and Dale’s fire pit is available for anyone’s use – another feature that Disney
thoughtfully provided to enhance a guest’s experience.
The
Chuck Wagon, onsite right there in the campfire area, sells both food and s’mores
kits in case you forgot to pack your own marshmallows and forks. As of last year, the kits cost about 10 bucks
and made 8 to 10 s’mores. That
information is provided as a public service.
No one in our family likes s’mores, although we are fans of toasted marshmallows,
chocolate and graham crackers. Just not
together.
During
our biking adventures, Alan and I stopped by the horse barns. The dainty white horses that pull
Cinderella’s carriage and the massive draft horses that haul various types of
transportation around Disney property have to live somewhere, and Fort Wilderness is their home.
We were delighted to learn that tours of the draft horse barn were available and we skedaddled ourselves over there on the last day of our stay. Although Alan and I don’t have horses, we do enjoy horseback riding, and I’ve loved horses since I was young. So, hanging around the corrals and exploring the horse barn were right up our alley. Surprisingly (because, after all, it is Disney), there was no cost for the barn tour, and an excellent tour it was. Our tour guide, Rachel, was young but, obviously, a horse person, extremely knowledgeable about her charges and exceptionally patient with all of the questions our tour group threw at her. While the barn tour certainly doesn’t hit the excitement level of any of the Disney theme parks, it was so educational and enjoyable that, if we ever went back, I’d take the tour again. (Notice the logo for the "Tri Circle D Ranch" in the photo below.)
"Mama, when I grow up, I'm going to pull Cinderella's carriage, too!" |
We were delighted to learn that tours of the draft horse barn were available and we skedaddled ourselves over there on the last day of our stay. Although Alan and I don’t have horses, we do enjoy horseback riding, and I’ve loved horses since I was young. So, hanging around the corrals and exploring the horse barn were right up our alley. Surprisingly (because, after all, it is Disney), there was no cost for the barn tour, and an excellent tour it was. Our tour guide, Rachel, was young but, obviously, a horse person, extremely knowledgeable about her charges and exceptionally patient with all of the questions our tour group threw at her. While the barn tour certainly doesn’t hit the excitement level of any of the Disney theme parks, it was so educational and enjoyable that, if we ever went back, I’d take the tour again. (Notice the logo for the "Tri Circle D Ranch" in the photo below.)
Speaking
of Disney staff, or I should say, cast members, I had a very pleasant exchange
with one man on the maintenance crew who was traveling around the Fort to clean
recently vacated campsites. (We saw this
man cleaning the site across from us one morning, and he did an extremely thorough
job. Extremely
thorough.) I was walking over to the
laundry room with a large basket of laundry and a container of detergent, and
he stopped his golf cart to ask if I would like a ride over to the
building. I was SO impressed – and appreciative! I thanked him for his kind offer, but assured
him that I was happy to be getting in my daily steps. I was sorry later that I had not asked his
name or looked at his name tag so that I could point out his courtesy to
management. Likewise, the cast members
at the Reception Outpost were very gracious when we stopped in several times
with a variety of questions. On a
previous visit to Disney World, I had decided that Disney “Magic” was a thing
of the past, but the attentiveness of the staff at Fort Wilderness during this visit proved me
wrong.
Now
comes the time to answer the question: Do I think the Disney experience at Fort
Wilderness is worth the premium price we paid to camp there? Just because something is expensive doesn’t
mean it’s good; sometimes you end up paying extra for a name or a logo and not
much else. On the other hand, a higher
price is often justified if it reflects an exceptional value or a better
quality product. For our family and for
this visit, yes, I do think it was worth the big wad of cash we plunked down to
camp on Disney property. Here’s why . .
. We celebrated two special family graduations at Disney World and those
celebrations were worthy of a splurge. (Although
our kids had been to Disney World twice before, it was actually Anya’s first
visit and something she had been dreaming of for a while.) Plus, with the five of us staying in the
travel trailer and our schedules varying among us from day to day, there was a
real benefit for the group to have Disney’s transportation options available to
us. I don’t think Ryan and Anya used their rental
car more than a couple of times during the entire week.
Disney calls these "Minnie Vans." Don't you just love it?! |
We
are not the type of Disney fans who feel the need to return year after year, so
I’m not planning on laying out over $1,000 for a week of camping on a regular
basis. Really, I just couldn’t bring
myself to do that. But then, I wouldn’t
cough up the kind of money you need to visit Disney on a regular basis
anyway. As for people who use Fort
Wilderness Resort & Campground as a favorite and regular campground or a
vacation destination in and of itself, well, let’s just say that my frugal
heart would shrivel up and die if I spent that kind of money to eat at a picnic
table, toast marshmallows, ride my bike, use a pool and play some tennis at any resort campground.
We’ve
been to Disney World maybe a half dozen times over the course of our 40 year
marriage. At that rate, it will be a
while before we go again and, with it being such a rare occasion, I would
definitely consider staying at Fort Wilderness in the future. Note that I didn’t say I would definitely
stay at Fort Wilderness, but I would certainly consider it an option. If it were just the two of us, and Alan and I
simply planned to spend a full day at each theme park, it’s very probable that
we’d camp outside the park to save some cash, and make the drive to Disney
World on a daily basis, especially if the visit were only for a few days. On the other hand, if we were celebrating
another special occasion or had the kids with us again, I’d be snapping on my
MagicBand and heading over to the horse barn for another tour because
we really did have a fabulous time at Fort Wilderness. Yee-ha!
I have to take my hat off to you; I have been outclassed in per-night camping fees. I am still grousing about having to pay $101 a night at Jackson Hole, Wyoming a few years ago. And like you, I would never have spent the money just for us at Disney World, but for our daughter Mindy...well, I almost hesitate to tell you that we paid $1800 to hire a personal guide to the park for her and her friend; there was no standing in line for anything. Too indulgent? Maybe; but, in her view, I walk on water. I enjoyed your review of Fort W, since I'm sure I'll never spring for it. (Oh wait; I forgot about the grandsons; just delete all that.)
ReplyDeleteMike, paying for a personal guide for Mindy and her friend may have been indulgent, but it's a perfect example of being comfortable with a large outlay of cash for something that provides an extraordinary value and experience. Don't forget, "time is money," and an awful lot of time is wasted at Disney World standing in line for food and attractions, even with the FastPass system. My guess is that Mindy enjoyed many more attractions and activities than the average guest, and her very generous father is to thank for that thoughtful, if indulgent, gift.
DeleteAbout 5 months before your trip, my and wife and I took both daughters, one husband, (I quickly add he was attached to just one of the daughters) and three grandkids for a week at the Magic Kingdom. From Phoenix our largest expense was the airfare for eight people. Because of very frequent trips to Disneyland, my married daughter and husband belong to the Disney Vacation Club, so our week in a very nice condo was free. Gran and Grandad did pay for the admission tickets (BIG number) and all meals.
ReplyDeleteBut, as you note, it was an investment in lifelong memories and tremendous family time. We wouldn't do it again (at least on this scale), but don't resent a single dollar spent.
Disney makes virtually no mistakes. The transportation was fabulous, the crew members unfailingly nice, everything clean and convenient. The grandkids still joke about "Grandad's wallet." I was always pulling it out for something yet it never seemed to run dry.
Bob, the "Disney Magic" must have rubbed off on your wallet! (At least your credit card didn't actually melt from overuse.) Because Disney ensures that there's an appeal for all ages, multi-generational trips to Disneyland or Disney World can really be tons of fun for everyone. And those memories are, indeed, priceless. It seems to me that your family's experience is a perfect example of money well spent.
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